Would You Fire on Police?

No-knock warrant

It’s 12AM and you are tucking your family in for the night.  All is well until you hear a sudden “crash” as your front door is busted down.  The storm of people’s feet around your home’s lower level raises the alarm and you reach for your shotgun.  It’s dark and the only thing you hear and see are loud noises and lights.  Your first instinct?  Fire…

But what if the entry of individuals that have barraged in on your home were police officers?  You have no way of knowing this at the time because they were serving a “no-knock” warrant on the wrong house – YOUR house.   An unlawful entry…

  • You had no pre-warning that they were law enforcement.
  • You heard no audibles of “Police – Freeze!” as the intense sounds and sights of flash bangs and doors being knocked down makes any intelligible commands muted.
  • You are a law abiding citizen, having nothing near a felony let alone parking ticket.  You have no reason to expect that police would SWAT raid your house.
  • If you are armed and trained with that firearm, it IS instinctive to protect your family.

Unfortunate as it is, these situations of “no-knock” warrants on the wrong house are becoming more common across news media outlets.  The most recent (and tragic) example of this is a no-knock warrant that was served on a duplex.  The officers did not bother to debrief on how their suspect only occupied 1/2 of the duplex, and an innocent family lived in the other.  Further, there were toys in the yard and a passerby citizen yelled at the cops to be careful as there were kids inside.  All these factors were not headed by law enforcement and the end result – an innocent 7 year old girl was shot in the head.

Dominika Stanley, Charles Jones

And these unlawful incidents are not limited to just no-knock entries.  There are plenty of incidents of some cops abusing their power against others.  Whether it’s the unjustified shooting of family pets, shooting of an individual for a seatbelt traffic violation or other crimes…there is an increasing “police state”.

And this goes back to the original question…

Would you fire on police if they entered your home unlawfully, or performed another unlawful act that endangered your life.  In the commotion of a no-knock example, you may not even know that it is police you are firing on.  If you were able to recognize that they were law enforcement officers, my guess is that you WOULD NOT fire on them.  You would plead with them that you are innocent and have the wrong house.

However… a controversial state law was passed in Indiana this year affirms that citizens have the right to protect themselves against unlawful aggression by a public servant:

In enacting this section, the general assembly finds and declares that it is the policy of this state to recognize the unique character of a citizen’s home and to ensure that a citizen feels secure in his or her own home against unlawful intrusion by another individual or a public servant. By reaffirming the long standing right of a citizen to protect his or her home against unlawful intrusion, however, the general assembly does not intend to diminish in any way the other robust self defense rights that citizens of this state have always enjoyed. Accordingly, the general assembly also finds and declares that it is the policy of this state that people have a right to defend themselves and third parties from physical harm and crime.

 And what exactly are you allowed to do?

(i) A person is justified in using reasonable force against a public servant if the person reasonably believes the force is necessary to:
(1) protect the person or a third person from what the person reasonably believes to be the imminent use of unlawful force;
(2) prevent or terminate the public servant’s unlawful entry of or attack on the person’s dwelling, curtilage, or occupied motor vehicle; or
(3) prevent or terminate the public servant’s unlawful trespass on or criminal interference with property lawfully in the person’s possession, lawfully in possession of a member of the person’s immediate family, or belonging to a person whose property the person has authority to protect.

 Either way you choose, the outcome is not pretty…

I agree that in some cases, law enforcement abuse their power.  And if it comes down to the fact that your life is endanger for an unwarranted and unlawful act, you have the right to protect yourself with reasonable force.  However, law enforcement is justifiably upset about the passing of this law as they feel this empowers any individual to fire upon them if they are of the opinion that the action is unlawful.

What if you did fire on officers who performed an illegal no-knock raid on the wrong house – your house.  Odds are, you’ve just done more harm than good as you have inadvertently given the officers justification that they do in fact have THE RIGHT HOUSE.  You have just put your family at even more risk of being injured.

It’s a very fine line we walk here…citizens need to have the legal ability to defend themselves against unlawful acts by a public servant.  But at what point does that turn against you?  In my opinion, it’s as soon as the other law enforcement steps onto the scene.  If the officer is shot, restrained, or beat up, you had better believe that there will be no rational discussion as to what has happened when fellow officers arrive on-scene.  It will be instantaneous “officer down” mentality…and truthfully, how could you blame them.

Curious as to what you all think.  Post in the comments below:

  • ron17571

    I wonder about how to repond to officers at my door yelling and screaming to be let in. And try to imagine myself asking for a warrant and how this would be very nasty. I don’t see a person winning either way they try to handle it. I thought about this when the people in Boston just let the cops in when they had that marathon bombing. The cops trampled all over these peoples rights and they played along.
    Considering how often this seems to be going on. It makes me think that people should make their home harder to break into.

    • Yeah, that’s another issue that has way more probability of happening – officers trying to force themselves into your home without a warrant. I would probably make a stand and not let them in. It would probably end up in my door being busted down and getting temporarily arrested, but we need to stand our ground against unlawful actions

  • Case and point. Firing on police did not end well for this guy: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/prosecutor-seeking-death-penalty-officer-killed-knock-raid/

  • Herman Christian

    Well people , urinating on my head and calling it rain doesn’t pass the BS filters of a rational man . When the system that gives the marching orders to an armed entity is operating beyond the law that was designed to restrain it , it has lost the goodwill and trust of the governed who gave it’s consent .
    When I as well as others have swore an oath to uphold that restraint and then place my orders above that , I am no better than the robber or street thug who most often is also armed ? The tremendous increase of swatting for even traffic warrants , overwhelming force , and lethal force at that leaves one to ponder what’s up ?
    With global finances and economies beginning to topple it would appear that plan “B” to an orderly transition of a workable system is needed . Hyper armed law enforcement with more and more centralized control and training gives the appearance of a tense football game with a lot of off sides lately ?
    What one would do with a late night invasion scenario could be highly unpredictable unless thought and preparation are applied to it ?
    We ALL need to return to the rule of essential law and prosecute the violators especially harsh and ruthless be with our leadership .